Are Atheists Overconfident in Reason?
Reason historically undermined itself and turned New Atheism into a futile sales job

Theists are often naturally confused about atheism because they’re predisposed to belittle any threat to their core beliefs.
Yet those who aren’t religious can be confused about atheism too, not so much about the basics, but the philosophical implications of what it means to speak of the world’s godlessness.
Reason and modern progress
Take, for example, many atheists’ overconfidence in reason. Reason is supposed to show us not just what’s wrong with religion but how we should live, acting as a guide in life in place of God or a scriptural life manual. This progressive, humanistic narrative is as old as the modern Western Enlightenment.
We’re taught that the medieval age in Europe was ruled by religious dogmatism and brutal monarchies that oppressed the peasant masses, and that progress took off only when thinkers managed to free themselves from the Church and find independent rational answers to questions about how the world works.
That may be a simplification, but it’s essentially a fair characterization. Evidently, theistic arguments are specious and fallacious, as David Hume, Immanuel Kant, Voltaire, and others showed. Scientific discoveries also showed that religious traditions were often just harmful and misleading prejudices.
The traditional, dogmatic way of interpreting the Bible was unilluminating and propagandistic precisely because it was uncritical. Spinoza, Schleiermacher, Strauss, Feuerbach, and others started reading the Bible as critical historians to see what could be learned from a more objective approach to the texts.
Certainly, then, reason in philosophy and science goes a long way towards undermining the authority of the archaic religions.
The problem is that reason undermines itself too.
The irrationalism of the Old Atheists
This process began in modern philosophy with David Hume’s hyperskepticism, which he paired inconsistently with a positivistic disdain for certain forms of irrationality. Instincts or “customs,” as he called them, were fine aids in life, but this was a conservative judgment which the more pessimistic Schopenhauer trashed. In any case, Hume’s criticism of the naturalistic fallacy made his proto-social Darwinism arbitrary and inconsistent.
Just because we have a natural function to behave in a certain way, doesn’t mean that behaviour is in any way justified. The realm of natural causes isn’t the same as that of reasons, as the philosopher John McDowell would later put it.
Hume was inconsistent in his naturalistic philosophy. Although he defended induction as a natural habit, he thought books on metaphysics and theology should be cast into the flames for failing to be sufficiently logical or empirical. Yet the offending writers would merely have to tell a “just-so story” — like Hume’s about induction — positing in humans an instinct to prefer games and stories, and they’d have a perfect Humean defense of the disciplines that fall afoul of “Hume’s fork,” or his proto-positivism.
In any case, Romantic critics of religion, such as Goethe, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and Freud, carried the uncompromising spirit of modern criticism even further, turning philosophy against its method and idols. In his literary works, the early Goethe pioneered Romanticism by emphasizing the subjectivity of his characters, including their nonrational longings. Schopenhauer and Nietzsche maintained that the will is more fundamental than the conscious, rational intellect, while Freud reconstructed this will as the unconscious mind.
Existential critics of religion, like Kierkegaard, Dostoevsky, Heidegger, and Sartre, also rejected the modern paeans to Reason. For them, the existential problem is one we experience and can’t solve with a rational judgment, because the problem is that our freedom is absolute in that we alone can decide what we should do with our life and must take responsibility for that decision; otherwise, we live as inauthentic robots or objects controlled by others, and aren’t full persons.
Reason enables us to understand the environment and control it, but people are also inherently creative, and creativity is best when it’s emotionally inspired. Contrary to Kant, we can’t even control ourselves with our intellect without suppressing our nonrational side. The whole ancient and early-modern rationalist discourses about the need to tame “passions” or emotions with reason were embarrassing encapsulations of persistent patriarchal sexism.
And that’s the sort of criticism that was levelled later by the postmodernists and post-structuralists who cast doubt on all myths or “metanarratives.” Even logic to them was a “discourse,” a literary construct, a move in a language game, or a power dynamic that obscures its presuppositions and functions socially as propaganda.
Marx had earlier laid down an economic rationale for this line of criticism when he said that ideologies tend to serve the ruling class’s interests by providing excuses for the lower class’s material inequities and enslavement. Mind you, Marx was as inconsistent as Hume in this regard since he would have agreed with Hegel in thinking that history is a science and that societies unfold logically, which was itself a metanarrative.
Marx aside, you can add cognitive science as another blow to secular rationalism, since psychologists buttressed many of these criticisms by showing how our natural ways of thinking are heuristics that are rife with fallacious biases. These biases evolved to preserve our sanity and self-confidence, and to help us cope with the natural environment’s neutrality towards our welfare.
Throw in quantum mechanics and the failure of Hilbert’s program in mathematics, and you have a thoroughgoing scientific deflation of reason.
The validity of the critiques of reason
Now, these secular critiques of reason can be carried too far. For example, American progressives such as radical feminists and critical race theorists infantilize themselves by contending that there’s no such thing as rational decision-making, that everything we do is inevitably an expression of our irrational impulses and depraved schemes for domination. The only alternative is to be “woke” to that dark reality, in which case you fight for social justice by any means necessary.
Alas, by eschewing any sense of rational responsibility and personal agency, these progressives succumb to hyperfeminine vices, making them politically incompetent and unable to resist the more savage tactics of their “conservative,” hypermasculine (or acutely sociopathic) opponents.
Nevertheless, these progressive critics have a point. You need merely look at the abundant landscape of modern barbarities perpetrated by so-called rationally enlightened Europeans, Americans, Russians, Chinese, and their client states — from slavery and genocide to the world wars and secular dictatorships — to see that the modern celebration of Reason was largely hype.
Clearly, rational progress is possible in the sciences and their technological applications, but here the talk of “progress” is still myth-laden since technoscience seems to progress by demolishing the biosphere, thus rendering our long-term survival dubious. Regardless, these developments are called “progressive” in the Marxian sense because, in the meantime, the richest one percent use those advances to live like kings, not being so enlightened as to care about the prospects of future generations. For Marx, upper-class decadence is a necessary stage in the logical course towards a more utopian, communist state.
The truth here, then, lies somewhere in the middle. Reason does make our species exceptionally godlike, but the personal self is confined to its animal body. Moreover, reason didn’t fall from Heaven, but is an evolutionary adaptation and social exaptation that can be used to achieve progressive or regressive goals. The default goals may indeed be regressive since genuine progress requires more than logical rigor or scientific experimentation. Progress would be initiated by a creative vision of an inspiring, worthy, and sustainable unnatural lifestyle.
The scientism of short-lived New Atheism
You wouldn’t know there were such limits of reason from the tenor of the “New Atheist” repudiations of religion. At least three of the four once-leading new atheists (Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris, excluding Hitchens) were scientists or anti-philosophical philosophers. That is, they were hangovers from the positivist movement in early analytic philosophy. They were scientistic ideologues who often implicitly dismissed philosophy along with theology for failing to live up to scientific standards of “progress.”
But that’s only the tip of the iceberg. The leading new atheists more generally were disproportionately scientists, so the battle lines between what CP Snow called the war between the “two cultures” in academia applied. Take everyone from Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Lawrence Krauss to Steven Pinker and Stephen Hawking, to Jerry Coyne and PZ Myers. All of them were or are scientists and prominent new atheists who have been notorious for carrying science too far in dismissing philosophy, in addition to theology. Even New Atheist philosophers like Alexander Rosenberg have explicitly promoted scientism.
There are exceptions (as in nonscientistic New Atheists), such as the philosopher AC Grayling, but on the whole, New Atheism was skewed by the marketing strategy of using the prestige of science to bludgeon the savagery of religious fundamentalism. If the choice was between (1) a secular society that flourishes thanks to technoscientific advances, and (2) the Taliban, the choice was clear.
Moreover, leading New Atheists wanted to put a happy face on the movement, partly to sell their books and speaking engagements. See, for example, Richard Dawkins’ bus campaign slogan, “There’s probably no God. So stop worrying and enjoy your life.” New Atheism was a shallow media creation and a business that had to be sold. And you don’t persuade a customer to buy something by regaling him or her with unpleasant truths, such as that reason isn’t God and is drastically limited.
If New Atheism had been a more thoroughly philosophical movement, like Old Atheism, there would have been no such preoccupation with salesmanship or rhetorical tactics. The philosophical goal is to tell the truth, period. The philosopher is obsessed with acquiring foundational knowledge, and although Plato said philosophers should rule from behind the scenes, using “noble lies” to placate the vulgar masses, his aristocratic cynicism and elitism are at odds with modern egalitarian humanism.
No, New Atheism as a humanist movement would have been discredited if its leaders unmasked themselves as Platonic elitists who spread sophistries like scientism for the hoi palloi while reserving for themselves the grim upshot of enlightenment.
Indeed, that’s just what happened to New Atheism. The movement split up into the runaway progressivism of the postmodern mobs of relativists and trolls who rule Twitter with their cancel culture and snowflake virtue signalling, on the one hand, and the hypermasculine intellectual dark web and incel cultures, on the other. In effect, the inheritors of the latter, nonprogressive subcultures adopt the unapologetic attitude of reconciling themselves to unpleasant truths, even if they do so from a macho standpoint rather than a philosophical one.
In any case, the atheist’s overconfidence in reason should be as embarrassing as the monotheist’s boasts about the supremacy of her creed. If the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic creeds were divinely revealed, and God protects the faithful, why did the latter two religions lose their political power so spectacularly in the modern period?
Likewise, if reason is our salvation, why did modernity repeat the savagery of the so-called pre-enlightened ages, and why did New Atheism itself splinter into a rabid mob of inept progressives and the dark web’s Old Atheistic irrationalists? And why did reason ironically undermine itself in late-modern philosophy and science?
If neither God nor reason will preserve us, what will?
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Re “Take, for example, many atheists’ overconfidence in reason. Reason is supposed to show us not just what’s wrong with religion but how we should live, acting as a guide in life in place of God or a scriptural life manual.”
Wait a minute. Are you talking about atheists who may have come to their atheism via a number of routes (mine was feeling I had been lied to by the religious officials) with the Stoics and other Greek philosophers who urged we use reason to guide our lives? I don’t find atheists to be devoted followers of reasoning per se.
Re “We’re taught that the medieval age in Europe was ruled by religious dogmatism and brutal monarchies that oppressed the peasant masses, and that progress took off only when thinkers managed to free themselves from the Church and find independent rational answers to questions about how the world works. That may be a simplification, but it’s essentially a fair characterization.”
Well, there is that and the results of the Inquisition in England that showed that the “peasant masses” were almost totally ignorant of church dogma, often volunteering heretical ideas that warranted the stake out of ignorance, but being proud that they were answering the questions correctly. Of course, being preached to in Latin, a language they didn’t understand didn’t help.
If you follow the “peasant masses” through history, they didn’t become advocates of reasoning either. It was a struggle to get education to be a part of the upbringing of ordinary folks, taking much of the nineteenth century to do that, but still through out that time in the U.S. all of the “peasant masses” were claimed to be Christians, logically I guess.
And re “Just because we have a natural function to behave in a certain way, doesn’t mean that behaviour is in any way justified.” Wait, our behaviors need to be justified? Why all of that blundering around as a child learning that stoves are hot and burned skin is painful, and if you bully little Sarah she will punch your lights out? This does not seem like there is a set of behaviors that is justified, just ones that are pragmatic resulting in less pain and more pleasure, or at least an absense of both. It is interesting that the word “justified” has a secular definition that being “having a good reason” and the theological one, that being “declared or made righteous in the sight of God.” If you use the example of the kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar fumbling around for a justification other than “I wanted a fucking cookie” such things may be seen as devices to keep your parents off your back.
If one wanted to make a case of “being over confident with reason” one needs to establish what the alternatives are. What should people do other than reason. This is difficult because people rarely use just reason in most decisions they make. No matter how much data they acquire, they rarely use a data driven approach to making their decision. This is exemplified in the old joke about an executive you interviewd three women to be his new personal assistant, a blonde, a brunette, and a redhead. Each has various abilities: typing speed, dictation abilities, work history, etc. So, which one did he hire? Answer: the one with the big tits. Decision making is emotionally based as much as it is reason based, often because when coming down to a final decision the differences in the data are too difficult to parse, so one “goes with one’s gut,” aka Type 1 thinking.
If you think of a person over reliant upon reason, the only character who comes to mind is Mr. Spock of Star Trek dame. Please show me a Mr. Spock like atheist. Sam Harris?
Re “Throw in quantum mechanics and the failure of Hilbert’s program in mathematics, and you have a thoroughgoing scientific deflation of reason.”
Please keep in mind that science is still in its infancy, it is only 400 years old where as philosophy is thousands of years old. There is much, very much we do not understand and we have plucked much of the “low hanging fruit” of the things we would like to understand leaving us with harder and harder tasks. For example, we have assumed psychopathy is be a brain disease or malfunction for decades. Yet we have basically zero evidence to support this conjecture. This is reasoning giving us a conjecture, but them the conjecture lives long enough to be confused for a fact.
We do not like to say over and over that something is hypothetical or conjectural for some reason. Consider the current state of the cosmological inventions of dark energy and dark matter. They are talked about as if they were real, yet there is no evidence that they are. Science writes hate to start sentences with “According to current theory …” so they say things like “95% of the universe is made up of dark matter and dark energy” without declaring that to be a consequence of current theory. If that were true, why can’t we find the damned things. And referring to them as conjectural over and over would lead people to think, maybe these things aren’t real” which is what they should.
Re “Clearly, rational progress is possible in the sciences and their technological applications, but here the talk of “progress” is still myth-laden since technoscience seems to progress by demolishing the biosphere, thus rendering our long-term survival dubious.”
It wasn’t the technoscience doing the demolishing is was the lack of caring by the leaders of the wielders that did it. Please don’t confuse the tool with the tool user. The current state of wealth distribution in the U.S. didn’t happen because of economics. Corporations used to have a whole set of goals in addition to “make money for shareholders,” they had goals to make good jobs for workers, be good citizens of their communities, and so on. But a concerted effort by greedy executives got all of those “secondary” goals abolished in favor of just “increasing shareholder value.” That wasn’t done by reason, although “reasons” were thrown about as reasoning chaff, it was done because of greed.
Re “… prominent new atheists who have been notorious for carrying science too far in dismissing philosophy, in addition to theology.”
And just how can one perceive that their efforts are too far? Harris wrote a book on free will. What damage has that done? Dawkins wrote a book about “selfish genes”? A damage assessment, please. Science does not have much in the way of guides, Mother Nature being the most prominent. This is why I insist that science doing is largely pragmatic. You have to try it on and then see if it works. The claim of “scientism” by butt-hurt philosophers is just a slur. If you do not like someone butting into your workplace, show them how they are wrong. That is how we get progress. Labeling them as “pseudoscientists” isn’t helpful. Again, who gets to decide if an interloper has gone to far? Certainly not a lot of pearl-clutching defenders of the subject/faith. Show some fighting spirit. Get into the issues and contest the false ideas. Whing/whinging on the sidelines isn’t helpful.
And really? “No, New Atheism as a humanist movement would have been discredited if its leaders unmasked themselves as Platonic elitists who spread sophistries like scientism for the hoi palloi while reserving for themselves the grim upshot of enlightenment.”
If Dawkins had said on stage, “Really we are just Platonic elitists, you see.” The audience reaction would not have been rejection, it would have been “Huhn?” They already knew the Ph.D. sporting college professors were members of the elite. The audience was enthralled because members of the elite were telling them the Emperor had no new clothes, in fact had none at all. Members of the elite had been telling us for centuries that we had better believe this shit or we will be burned at the stake, or put upon the rack, or locked in pillories and so on. These were clearly elites (Hitch’s upper crust British accent clearly labeled him as one) and they seemed to be finally telling us the truth. That message was greater than any categorization of the truthtellers could counter.
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